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Colby Maxwell's avatar

First, I want to say this was a fantastic piece. Had no idea what I was getting myself into, and it was great.

I also wanted to state maybe a few questions for anyone to chat about.

1. I know (or don't think) the goal of this piece is prescriptive, but if we're speaking of culpability, where (or who) do we lay it upon? Systemic moral responsibility is famously quite difficult to discuss, but are those who use AI in full knowledge of the Must1 (distributed, emergent problems that arise from incentives) also participating in the creation of the storm? Who is the prime mover here in terms of culpability, or is there not one? How do we handle and rebuke collective sin, if I may use a term borrowed from the bible to reference societal wrongdoing?

2. What of those who decide that the storm is worthwhile for the rain it provides may save more than those who might drown?

3. More broadly speaking here, I think that we can go further than just A.I. and speak in terms of capability. In any situation, giving populations, individuals, or governments greater capacity in any venue is the manufacture of a type of storm, yet progress (so far) seems to have been worth it, despite the drawbacks. John Deere and the 1960s agricultural-industrial complex allowed us to feed the country in excess while also creating a dependence on fossil-fueled fertilizers and destroying our topsoil, for instance. In any arena, greater capacity breeds greater potential for substantial misuse; A.I. is no different, except that the potential is not singular as with a weapon or other mechanical advancement. Instead, it is a "general" capability that has been increased. Should humans have greater capability, and should we disperse that capability as widely as possible or should we concentrate it with those we trust to wield it on our behalf? I do not know.

Hope any of that made sense. Happy to talk with anyone who has any thoughts :)

Mikail Krochta's avatar

My one criticism, or maybe more of a worry, about Pragmatic Idealism is that I can imagine it slipping into a defeatist mindset if it pushes the bar of moral choice back to whatever we currently feel is possible. Outside of very specific cases or hypotheticals, it’s hard to determine what actually is possible, and I worry that people might start treating present constraints as fixed rather than contestable. With AI, I can see this leading to many seeing it as the inevitable storm and feeling like there’s no choice but to operate within this new framework of possibility and impossibility. After all, how am I, or even how are we, supposed to thwart the likes of tech billionaires and their profit incentives?

That’s part of why I really appreciate your two questions: What is the available good? And what is the manufactured necessity? The second question, in particular, seems to get at something important, which is interrogating why something feels necessary in the first place. That makes me feel less uneasy about Pragmatic Idealism devolving into defeatism or becoming a kind of status quo mentality. I’m curious what you think about applying those two questions to Pragmatic Idealism more broadly, beyond the context of AI.

I’m also wondering how you think we can escape the framework of capitalist incentives that seems to be driving AI forward with little regard for its negative side effects. I worry about this in many areas of life, but AI feels like a very clear example of this prioritization of profit over the well-being of people. Speaking as someone looking for hope in what feels like an insurmountable task, how do you think we can break out of that cycle?

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